It seems the SBVT may have scored a
By way of further example, Kerry wrote an article for the Boston Herald on October 14, 1979:"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."
Nixon was not president in 1968. However, this post, with an image of what he said after returning from Vietnam, makes it clear that at the time Kerry did not claim it was Nixon denying there were US troops in Cambodia. 11 years later he did, but since Nixon had already been elected by that point, it seems quite plausible to assume that Kerry simply got that fact mixed up, especially since his earlier testimony did not make that mistake. So, that aspect of the Cambodia issue seems more like hype and smear than fact.
However, that's just minor compared to the real problem that may exist. Was Kerry in Cambodia or not? Captain's Quarter excerpts a letter that says:
Kerry himself inadvertently admits that he was in Sa Dec for Christmas Eve and Christmas and not in Cambodia, as he had stated for so many years on the Senate Floor, in the newspapers, and elsewhere. Exhibit 27, Tour, pp. 213-219. Sa Dec is hardly "close" to the Cambodian border. In reality, far from being ordered secretly to Cambodia, Kerry spent a pleasant night at Sa Dec with "visions of sugar plums" dancing in his head. Exhibit 27, p. 219. At Sa Dec where the Swift boat patrol area ended, there were many miles of other boats (PBR's) leading to the Cambodian border. There were also gunboats on the border to prevent any crossing. If Kerry tried to get through, he would have been arrested.
I believe this quote is from the SBVT book though, so it should probably be independently verified if possible before swallowing it whole, particularly how tight the border was. As this site points out, Sa Dec is pretty close to Cambodia, so it was certainly possible to get there in a short amount of time, even if Kerry was not stationed there. If the border was porous or if boats might have been allowed across while in pursuit of attackers, then the claims the he could not possibly have made it into Cambodia fail.
Despite all this, there are still two possibilities about the truthfulness of Kerry's claim with several potential reasons:
1. He lied about being in Cambodia.
a) He did so purposefully in service of his anti-Vietnam war activism.
b) He mistook his location and thought his boat was farther along the river and into Cambodia.
2. He told the truth.
a) He was on a secret mission that his superiors either were not aware of or feel the need to deny knowledge of.
b) He disobeyed orders while pursuing attackers.
Captain's Quarters latest post on the topic suggests 2b may be true:
To top it off, Kerry said, he had gone several miles inside Cambodia, which theoretically was off limits, prompting Kerry to send a sarcastic message to his superiors that he was writing from the Navy's "most inland" unit.Back at his base, a weary, disconsolate Kerry sat at his typewriter, as he often did, and poured out his grief. "You hope that they'll courtmartial you or something because that would make sense," Kerry typed that night.
The post goes on to point out some apparent inconsistencies about Kerry listening to the President radio address, but that point is rather weak. It's quite possible Kerry could have followed attackers into Cambodia then turned the radio on later. This would also make his wry disbelief upon hearing the President proclaim there were no American troops in Cambodia understandable.
In other words, from strident anti-Kerry sources, a plausible, coherent story arises that could vindicate Kerry's claims of being in Cambodia. I'm not claiming that's the truth, but it's a distinct possibility that's being ignored amidst all the rhetoric. That said, if it turns out that Kerry did lie about this (can't someone just ask his shipmates?) it would likely solidify the image of a him as given to self-aggrandizement and exaggeration to further his political goals. Despite Joyner's belief that it won't be a campaign-killer, I think it could be very damaging. As it stands now, those that believe the worst of this story are those that wouldn't vote for Kerry anyways, but the risk is that the speculation will be picked up by the mainstream news media before it can be confirmed or denied. If that happens, Kerry risks having a very unfavorable story become the conventional wisdom which could easily dissuade a significant portion of swing voters.
Of course, if he did lie about being in Cambodia, then we'd have a clear choice between a liar and... umm... a liar.
There are several problems with your analysis.
1. The group that Kerry was attached to had its northern boundary at Sa Dec, which is 55 miles southeast of the Cambodian border.
2. There were concrete pylons and special boats patrolling the exit to Cambodia. This was not some jerkwater canal, it was a major river in Southeast Asia.
Thanks for the link though. Looks like we broke this story before everybody.
Actually, I discussed the fact that he was in Sa Dec. 55 miles is not all that far. As for the concrete pylons and such, I've read conflicting accounts about that, so I'm still not sure.
From Kerry's Fitness Report (page 24 of this PDF):
LTJG Kerry was assigned to this division for only a short time but during that time exhibited all the traits desired of an officer in a combat environment. He frequently exhibited a high sense of imagination and judgement in planning operations against the enemy in the Mekong Delta. Involved in several enemy initiated fire fights, including an ambush during the Christmas truce, he effectively suppressed enemy fire and is unofficially credited with 20 enemy killed in action. Though relatively new to the PCF he is thoroughly knowledgeable of all aspects of his boat and PCF operations. He was instrumental in planning of highly successful Sea Lords Operations. He was cited for his performance during action against the enemy by Commander Task Force in his message 080807Z Jan 69.Note that "performance during action" doesn't sound like his only participation was "planning".
Now to add that "Sea Lords Operations" involved incursions into Cambodia.
As to whether it's implausible that a SWIFT boat might go into Cambodia and drop someone off there, note: "The fellow on the right was a freelance journalist and photographer that had caught a ride into Cambodia on a US Swift Boat. He asked to be dropped off on the shore to proceed on his own. It is hoped that he found what he was looking for and survived to tell about it."
Sure doesn't sound like that was "physically impossible", as Steve Gardner claimed.
In fact, the Navy said Swift boats were involved in those Cambodian incursions:
An acronym for "Southeast Asia Lake, Ocean, River, Delta Strategy", SEALORDS started on October 18, 1968 when a Navy Swift boat (PCF) reconnoitered the entrance to the Cua Lon River on the Gulf of Thailand side of the Ca Mau Penisula. Following this mission, Swift boat crewmen conducted a series of incursions along the southern rivers and canals upsetting base camps and cutting Viet Cong supply and communication lines.So Gardner simply lied about it being a "physical impossibility" for a Swift boat to enter Cambodian waters.
Yet it was on the basis of Gardner's (now disproved) claim that Kerry was called a liar.
Since the Commander of U.S. Naval Forces in Vietnam said Swift boats were going into Cambodia starting in October 1968, and Kerry's Fitness Report says he was "instrumental" in that operation, it seems Kerry's story does have some official corroboration. But his accusers are now proved liars.
Kerry was based at Sa Dec. This was a base for Navy river boats patrolling the Cambodian border and conducting incursions — in fact, it was later made the headquarters of Swift Boat Coastal Division 13 because of its advantageous position.
That is, it wasn't the Swift boats' "northernmost patrol area", but the place they went from to do patrols and incursions, and returned to afterwards.
The Fitness Report refers to "an ambush during the Christmas truce", which indicates that the attack happened in the field, on a mission or patrol, not "an attack on the base". So this had to have been at least toward Cambodia from Sa Dec, since missions & patrols from Sa Dec went either along or across the Cambodian border. In fact, Kerry's contemporaneous journal entry of that Christmas firefight refers to going back toward Sa Dec after the incident. If Sa Dec had been his "northernmost patrol area" and not his base, he'd have been going away from Sa Dec at the end of his patrol.
More news from the Web:
Swift Boat Writer [John O'Neill] Lied on Cambodia Claim (AP)
Who is Steve Gardner? Swift Boat Vet "eyewitness" was not present for events leading to Kerry's medals or Purple Hearts ... "Yet in repeated media appearances, conservative hosts have presented Gardner as an eyewitness to key Kerry events. And in at least two interviews, Gardner has falsely claimed that he was present for the incidents leading to Kerry's receipt of awards." ...
Kerry and the swift boat snipers "So far, Kerry's critics appear far more inconsistent in their stories than Kerry. Not only do their accounts contradict military records, they often contradict the critics' own previous statements. As more witnesses come forward, Kerry's version of the handful of events in question gets more backing."
Swiftboat Crewman: Kerry Boat Took Fire (AP)
Retired Chief Petty Officer Robert E. Lambert joins in supporting Kerry's version of events
Ads anger Colorado vet: Telluride man says he saw Kerry rescue soldier from river (Rocky Mountain News) "Retired Navy lieutenant Jim Russell, 60, backed up Kerry's version of an incident more than 35 years ago."
Kerry-Loathing Swift Boaters Sinking Facts (NY Observer)
Assault on Kerry Dishonors G.O.P. (NY Observer)
These Charges Are False ... It's one thing for the presidential campaign to get nasty but quite another for it to engage in fabrication. (LA Times) "No informed person can seriously believe that Kerry fabricated evidence to win his military medals in Vietnam. His main accuser has been exposed as having said the opposite at the time, 35 years ago. Kerry is backed by almost all those who witnessed the events in question, as well as by documentation. His accusers have no evidence except their own dubious word. ... These charges against John Kerry are false."
And finally,
Bush Dismisses Idea That Kerry Lied on Vietnam (NY Times)
Thanks for all the extra links, Raven. Quite useful.