August 10, 2004

Confused About Cambodia

Via Captain's Quarters, I came across this Byron York article that tries to shed some light on whether Kerry was in Cambodia or not. First, quoting Steve Gardner, the SBVT member who served under Kerry, York writes:

"It was physically, totally, categorically, across-the-board impossible to get into the canal that went to Cambodia with a swift boat," says Gardner. "There were concrete pilings that were put in the water...plus, the Navy kept patrol boats there to make sure nobody went in. When I was on the 44 boat, it was a physical impossibility to take a swift boat into Cambodian waters."

But later, writes this:

[Retired admiral Roy] Hoffman said that after an earlier incident in which some soldiers had unintentionally crossed the Cambodian border, the line was very clearly marked with signs warning not to cross.

Hoffman is one of the SBVT leaders. However, his account differs significantly from Gardner's. He even acknowledges that boats had previously gone into Cambodia. Concrete pilings and Navy patrol boats are a far less surmountable barrier than warning signs. If it was the former, then there's simply no way Kerry could have gone into Cambodia, but if it's the latter, then the suggestion that he went there while disobeying orders remains plausible. But to add to the confusion, York quotes Jim Wasser, one of Kerry's supporting crew members:

Finally, another member of Kerry's crew, Jim Wasser, who supports Kerry in the presidential race, told the Dallas Observer last month that he wasn't sure where PCF-44 was at the time in question. "On Christmas in 1968, we were close [to Cambodia]," Wasser said. "I don't know exactly where we were. I didn't have the chart. It was easy to get turned around with all the rivers around there. But I'll say this: We were the farthest inland that night. I know that for sure."

This passage suggests that Kerry was confused about their position and believed them to be in Cambodia, another possibility I touched on in my previous post. Of course, given the reports that he carries around a hat from a CIA agent he took into Cambodia on a secret mission strongly suggests otherwise, which covers the last possibility from my earlier list.

In other words, I'm still confused. It seems to hinge on whether Cambodia was accessible and whether Kerry ever took a CIA agent in. Arguably, if the latter case were true, then the former would be by necessity, since those sorts of operations would certainly be granted clearance to pass regardless of the normal status of the canal.

Either way, I'm reluctant to accept the word of SBVT members without confirmation by a disinterested party (if such still exist). It strikes me as overzealous to blindly accept these allegations as truth when there are so many questions and so few facts.

Posted by mallarme at August 10, 2004 07:31 PM
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From Kerry's Fitness Report, 28 Jan 1969 (page 24 of this PDF):

LTJG Kerry was assigned to this division for only a short time but during that time exhibited all the traits desired of an officer in a combat environment. He frequently exhibited a high sense of imagination and judgement in planning operations against the enemy in the Mekong Delta. Involved in several enemy initiated fire fights, including an ambush during the Christmas truce, he effectively suppressed enemy fire and is unofficially credited with 20 enemy killed in action. Though relatively new to the PCF he is thoroughly knowledgeable of all aspects of his boat and PCF operations. He was instrumental in planning of highly successful Sea Lords Operations. He was cited for his performance during action against the enemy by Commander Task Force in his message 080807Z Jan 69.
Note that "performance during action" doesn't sound like his only participation was "planning".

Now to add that "Sea Lords Operations" involved incursions into Cambodia.

As to whether it's implausible that a SWIFT boat might go into Cambodia and drop someone off there, note: "The fellow on the right was a freelance journalist and photographer that had caught a ride into Cambodia on a US Swift Boat. He asked to be dropped off on the shore to proceed on his own. It is hoped that he found what he was looking for and survived to tell about it."

Sure doesn't sound like getting a Swift boat into Cambodia was a "physical impossibility", as Steve Gardner claimed.

In fact, the Navy said Swift boats were involved in those Cambodian incursions:

An acronym for "Southeast Asia Lake, Ocean, River, Delta Strategy", SEALORDS started on October 18, 1968 when a Navy Swift boat (PCF) reconnoitered the entrance to the Cua Lon River on the Gulf of Thailand side of the Ca Mau Penisula. Following this mission, Swift boat crewmen conducted a series of incursions along the southern rivers and canals upsetting base camps and cutting Viet Cong supply and communication lines.

So Gardner simply lied.

Posted by: Raven at August 14, 2004 11:58 AM

You say: "his account differs significantly from Gardner's." I think you need to reread the article. The barracade and sign were put up AFTER the event, and, as I understood it, because of it. They are referring to different points in time, and do not contradict each other at all. Here are a couple of other good links on the subject of Kerry's mystical Cambodian soul journey of "searing" truth, or whatever...

href=http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=4803

href=http://www.augustafreepress.com/stories/storyReader$25169

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/articles/apr/aug161.html


I hope these help.

Posted by: bob at August 19, 2004 06:02 PM

"Sure doesn't sound like getting a Swift boat into Cambodia was a "physical impossibility", as Steve Gardner claimed."

As I said above, read the whole article to see what he is specifically talking about.

Please note the Swifts did NOT begin incursions until May of 1970. (read the link you post as "proof.") Kerry was LOOONG gone by then. Before that no one but a few observers went in, by land or hellicopter, but Swifts didn't take them in.

I suggest a careful read of the following link...

http://qando.net/archives/003799.htm

...if you are interrested in clarity.

Posted by: bob at August 19, 2004 06:43 PM
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